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		<title>By: Kåre Mulvad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kåre Mulvad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 15:16:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Had the same line of though after being introduced to the Cradle to Cradle principal. Came to think a lot about how a website could fit under these &quot;laws&quot; - how can, if it isn&#039;t already, a website be totally de-structable and reusable, or even go as far as being able to upcycle a website...

 - again this comment has no point what so ever :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Had the same line of though after being introduced to the Cradle to Cradle principal. Came to think a lot about how a website could fit under these &#8220;laws&#8221; &#8211; how can, if it isn&#8217;t already, a website be totally de-structable and reusable, or even go as far as being able to upcycle a website&#8230;</p>
<p> &#8211; again this comment has no point what so ever :)</p>
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		<title>By: Ten Principles for a New, Post-Print-Based Approach to Web Publication &#124; HowWhyWeb.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ten Principles for a New, Post-Print-Based Approach to Web Publication &#124; HowWhyWeb.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 20:12:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<dc:creator>Twitted by fachrybafadal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 13:19:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: uberVU - social comments</title>
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		<dc:creator>uberVU - social comments</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 21:32:14 +0000</pubDate>
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This post was mentioned on Twitter by yaili: ok, I&#039;ve posted the silly post http://bit.ly/6uSYIw Let me know what you think *eek!*...</description>
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<p>This post was mentioned on Twitter by yaili: ok, I&#8217;ve posted the silly post <a href="http://bit.ly/6uSYIw" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/6uSYIw</a> Let me know what you think *eek!*&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Stickley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Stickley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 14:51:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The thing with websites is that people don&#039;t often form an attachment with them unless they can interact with them. But if you can interact with a site you can&#039;t download and keep a copy of it.

It&#039;s because of it&#039;s nature in that it&#039;s always changing and evolving due to your own and other people&#039;s actions that it makes it a compelling and perhaps emotional experience.

But you&#039;re right - you can&#039;t physically hold a website. But if you had an object you could touch and manipulate in a physical way wouldn&#039;t it be disconcerting that other people could manipulate that same object as you held it like a website?

I disagree that a website can never be perfect. A website can be perfect - or at least it has the potential to be so. This is an ephemeral state, however, and a site can lapse out of perfection through some change in technology, or perhaps through something as simple as the site owner deciding it needs improving!

As for sustainability, isn&#039;t that what CSS-only redesigns are?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The thing with websites is that people don&#8217;t often form an attachment with them unless they can interact with them. But if you can interact with a site you can&#8217;t download and keep a copy of it.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s because of it&#8217;s nature in that it&#8217;s always changing and evolving due to your own and other people&#8217;s actions that it makes it a compelling and perhaps emotional experience.</p>
<p>But you&#8217;re right &#8211; you can&#8217;t physically hold a website. But if you had an object you could touch and manipulate in a physical way wouldn&#8217;t it be disconcerting that other people could manipulate that same object as you held it like a website?</p>
<p>I disagree that a website can never be perfect. A website can be perfect &#8211; or at least it has the potential to be so. This is an ephemeral state, however, and a site can lapse out of perfection through some change in technology, or perhaps through something as simple as the site owner deciding it needs improving!</p>
<p>As for sustainability, isn&#8217;t that what CSS-only redesigns are?</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Fox</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Fox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 14:19:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just pondering here… are there any websites that we will treasure forever like some physical objects (like an Eames chair, or Starck’s lemon squeezer)? Maybe things like Yugop back in the day, and there was a particularly lovely long animation that was stunning (umm?). Of course, these are all gone now, or at least hidden. It would be nice to be able to time machine the whole web back to certain dates in time, see what it was like, what we found amazing, interesting.

Flickr is a very different kind of site, but I like the way that it essentially feels the same. That said, inevitably that shifts, mutates, improves, adds features. 

We should at least sometimes aspire to creating things that are classic. 

No point to this comment either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just pondering here… are there any websites that we will treasure forever like some physical objects (like an Eames chair, or Starck’s lemon squeezer)? Maybe things like Yugop back in the day, and there was a particularly lovely long animation that was stunning (umm?). Of course, these are all gone now, or at least hidden. It would be nice to be able to time machine the whole web back to certain dates in time, see what it was like, what we found amazing, interesting.</p>
<p>Flickr is a very different kind of site, but I like the way that it essentially feels the same. That said, inevitably that shifts, mutates, improves, adds features. </p>
<p>We should at least sometimes aspire to creating things that are classic. </p>
<p>No point to this comment either.</p>
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		<title>By: Web Designer Notebook » The Tangibility Of Websites, Or Something &#8230; &#124; Design Graphics</title>
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		<title>By: Tiago Rodrigues</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tiago Rodrigues</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 13:39:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I think we should care.

As for ownership, there&#039;s a good example in websites like flickr. Even though it&#039;s not as costumizable as others (myspace, etc), it seems to me that the (more active) flickr users feel like it&#039;s their own personal space. I&#039;ve also had that feeling about deviant art users. Twitter is also an example, but in a different way (which I can&#039;t properly explain). I believe twitter users see their twitter page as &quot;theirs&quot; but in a different way of flickr users.

But, as you point out, there&#039;s the problem of the website evolution, either on a functionality level or something else. I remember when flickr users decided to abandon the website because of things like the yahoo id unification process or when video was added. Change exists, and is not always welcome, and at that time people lose the ilusion of ownership they had all that time.

So yeah, I think we should care about these points. Will they influence the way we do things ? Maybe not. I think the things we do about these questions are already so defined that it&#039;s really hard to change how we (or the users) handle them, and even if we try, we have to remember that we are dealing with users, which can always be unpredictable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I think we should care.</p>
<p>As for ownership, there&#8217;s a good example in websites like flickr. Even though it&#8217;s not as costumizable as others (myspace, etc), it seems to me that the (more active) flickr users feel like it&#8217;s their own personal space. I&#8217;ve also had that feeling about deviant art users. Twitter is also an example, but in a different way (which I can&#8217;t properly explain). I believe twitter users see their twitter page as &#8220;theirs&#8221; but in a different way of flickr users.</p>
<p>But, as you point out, there&#8217;s the problem of the website evolution, either on a functionality level or something else. I remember when flickr users decided to abandon the website because of things like the yahoo id unification process or when video was added. Change exists, and is not always welcome, and at that time people lose the ilusion of ownership they had all that time.</p>
<p>So yeah, I think we should care about these points. Will they influence the way we do things ? Maybe not. I think the things we do about these questions are already so defined that it&#8217;s really hard to change how we (or the users) handle them, and even if we try, we have to remember that we are dealing with users, which can always be unpredictable.</p>
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